7 Things You Should Do When You Crash Your Bike



Whether you’re a road cyclist, mountain biker, or triathlete, if you spend time on two wheels you will inevitably crash. Experience helps make crashes less frequent, but even the most experienced riders sometimes fall. I was reminded of that this time last year when longtime CTS Coach Jim Lehman – one of the most experienced cyclists I know – crashed and broke his hip during an easy Sunday morning spin. [Update: Jim recovered completely from his broken hip and has returned to leading rides at CTS Camps.]

The big lesson we can all learn from Jim’s crash is that while many of use sport as a way to relieve stress and maybe give our minds a break, we always have to stay engaged on the bike. By his own admission Jim had a lot on his mind and that morning he slipped out on a simple patch of water in a switchback, an obstacle he’s successfully negotiated thousands of times. It’s a scenario I think most athletes can relate to, bring preoccupied and making mistakes you don’t typically make. But you have to remember that – in the case of cyclists – you’re rushing down the road or trail at high speeds, wearing little more than underwear.

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When you find yourself on the ground, here are a few practical tips to remember:

Check yourself and your helmet:
Did you hit your head? If you’re not sure, check your helmet for damage. Can you remember your name and the date? If you’re with someone who crashes, these are important questions to ask. If you’re alone and you did hit your head, your mental state may not be apparent to you. You may think you’re fine when you’re not. If you fall and have damage to your helmet, the safest thing to do is call for someone to pick you up.

See if you can stand up:
I know this is not the case 100% of the time, but in my experience when a person can’t stand up there’s a good chance they’re truly injured and not just merely scraped up. Obviously, some people who are significantly injured manage to stand up, but then the next limiting factor is the ability to support yourself on the bars. With a broken hip, you’re not going to be able to stand up. With a broken collarbone you might get up (painfully), but you’ll have a harder time supporting yourself on the bars.


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Get out of the road or to the edge of the trail:
This is especially true if you’re riding alone. In Jim’s case, he couldn’t stand up because he broke his hip, but he pulled himself to the edge of the road to minimize the chances of being hit by a car. Cars don’t notice cyclists when we’re upright; so don’t expect them to see you when you’re on the ground.

Call for help:
Whether you need to call your spouse, a buddy, or an ambulance; it’s important to have a cell phone with you. If you know you’re going to be in an area without cell coverage tell someone where you’re going and when you expect to return. Also consider investing in a GPS messenger like a Spot GPS, which enables you to send short messages to family or an SOS to first responders. Or an ICEdot crash sensor, which will contact your emergency contacts even if you are unconscious.  A Road ID or similar band with emergency contact information on it is a good idea to have, as is programming an ICE (in case of emergency) phone number in your cell phone. On long ride days I often give my wife a time range so she knows that if I haven’t checked in by a certain time then there’s likely something wrong.

Stay calm, even when a helpful stranger isn’t:
I’ve stopped and helped strangers, and I appreciate anyone who stops what they’re doing to help me or someone else. But cycling crashes often look worse than they are, and when people aren’t used to seeing someone scraped up and bleeding, they sometimes over-react. If you’re the person who crashed, you may end up needing to help your rescuer calm down. And if you’re coming to the aid of someone who crashed, stay calm and do your best to keep them calm.

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Road rash is a good sign:
I know it sounds counterintuitive, but in my experience road rash is a sign that sliding over the pavement dispersed the energy of the crash. I’ve generally seen worse injuries from crashes that leave little to no road rash. Again, in Jim Lehman’s case, there was virtually no road rash and only a small tear in his shorts. Instead of sliding, he fell straight down and his hip absorbed the majority of the impact. Low speed slips and tip-overs break bones. High-speed slides shred clothing and remove skin, but often spare bones.

Take care of your wounds and take time your time coming back:
If you have any concerns about your wounds, seek medical attention sooner rather than later. If you’re having headaches or any symptoms of concussion, see a doctor.

I suffered a concussion in a crash last year and it was an eye-opening experience. Though I recovered completely within a matter of weeks, one piece of information I was missing during my treatment was a pre-concussion baseline test, like the imPACT test. While we often focus on pre-concussion testing in youth team sports they are very important for older athletes, especially considering that for many cyclists your next concussion probably won’t be your first.

Infection is a real risk, so take care of road rash with soap and water, use bandages, and change your bandages regularly. When it comes to training, remember that healing takes energy and people tend to have lower quality of sleep while injured. Pros sometimes have to race or train through pain, but for the majority of athletes it’s better to prioritize healing over training.

Stay safe out there!
Chris Carmichael
CEO/Head Coach of CTS

58 Responses to “7 Things You Should Do When You Crash Your Bike”

  1. Don Berry-Graham on

    I was hit by a car recently the car went through a stop sign. I was knocked out and could not get up went to hospital. At hospital they did a CT scan and x-rays but nothing was broken. Road rash and soft tissue damage. It took two weeks of healing before I could stand up on my own. Two month later I am starting to see the effects of the concussion going away. There were days that I would get sick just standing up. Worse part is that it destroyed my bike and now the insurance does not want to replace it. And I have lost all this great riding time. I stopped paying attention because I had the right of way. Will not do that again.

    • Barry Norman on

      Great article Chris and sorry to hear of Jim’s crash! Reminds me of my crash while visiting CTS coach James Herrera in Jan 2003. Low speed, high impact crash broke my pelvis and injured my kidneys. I just overlapped wheels with the rider in front of me. Someone mentioned “riding over your head” earlier but in my case I believe it was because I was very tired as this was my 4th ride in 5 days at elevation. Fatigue certainly invites mistakes in judgement. Best wishes to a speedy recovery for Jim!!

    • Dr A. Bruce Reid on

      Dr Bruce Reid, Orthopaedic Surgeon, and aspiring cyclist
      The IMPACT test is critical after a concussion, which includes “getting dinged”. Don’t get back on the bike until ALL the symptoms of concussion, ie. headache, fatigue, “brain fog”, are gone AND the IMPACT score is back to baseline /normal. A “second hit” during the recovery phase can be FATAL > 50%, or permanent brain damage = 100% ( see Mohamad Ali ) of repeat concussions. Recovery can take days to weeks.

  2. Federico M Torres on

    I appreciate all of the helpful advice throughout the years. Good luck with CTS and wish Jim Lehman a speedy recovery.

  3. Aaro Paavo Heinonen on

    I would add two things: be prepared! I fell this year after 14 years of not falling and I did not even know where to go for medical attention, even though I have lived here for 12 years. Second, I am convinced that too many cyclist falling and breaking hips and shattering leg bones is a good reason for all cyclists to run as part of their training, and watch the consumption of animal protein, as that causes a leaching of calcium from the body’s largest bones, weakening them.

    • Mark Noble on

      Bicycling is not a weight bearing exercise. That is why running or other weight bearing exercise is important. I can’t run but I lift weights every week except Important Race Weeks. Good article.

  4. Dean Read on

    Two weeks ago I had a minor spill at 5 mph on a loaded touring bike. No road rash, but I fractured my right femur and needed surgery. I now have a titanium rod, pin and screw and 6–8 weeks recovery.
    Thanks for letting me know that I am not alone suffering a broken bone from a low-speed crash.

  5. Paul Purviance on

    Great read this am. Our team suffered a similar injury in the first 5 minutes of a road race about a month ago. He will be off his bike for 6 months.
    Looking forward to riding soon or working with you at an epic event.
    Talk soon,Paul

  6. Cole on

    Really good write up on the inevitable crashes. Good tips! Sorry to hear about Jim with the hip. I do alot of the DVD’s on the trainer living up here in Alaska. Just to chime my 2 cents id have to say a big factor for me in avoiding crashes is not riding within’ my limits. Trying to do stuff im not capable of doing. As well as being in Alaska the weather factors as in knowing when to just call it a day. Anyways liked the write up and wish all well when out and about pedaling. Take care

  7. Dr. Richard DalCanto on

    Great article. I just want to add, as a spine surgeon, that if you have a lot of neck or spine pain, don’t try to get up. I took care of a racer who broke her neck, managed to get a ride home, but then came to the hospital a few hours later because of the pain. I had to fuse part of her neck. She is very lucky that the bones didn’t shift a few more millimeters and she didn’t go paralyzed when she tried to get up.

    • Shellie Clark on

      It has been 4 weeks since my crash which resulted in a broken neck. I flew off my bike while going about 25 MPH and landed on the top of my head then flipped onto my back. I eventually got up and felt some pain, but honestly it didn’t feel that bad. I actually debated finishing my ride because my Ironman was exactly 2 weeks out. I was on my hands and knees looking for the lens that fell out of my Oakleys. Waited for my sister to come pick me up. I broke C6 & C7 in my neck, but was told I shouldn’t need surgery since the bone didn’t displace. The pain only felt like whiplash. I am very fortunate there was no damage to my spinal cord. I am able to walk, but still wearing the brace around my neck. I really never thought this would happen to me and the accident was silly. I literally ran off the road. It was still dark out since I started in the early morning. I didn’t see the road actually curves at that particular location. Looking back I’m very fortunate I didn’t damage my spinal cord.

  8. Ed on

    Great subject and advice. My question is: As for road rash, is this when shaved legs can be advantageous to speeding up the healing process?

    • CTS on

      Shaved legs helps a bit with cleaning out the wounds, bandaging, and refreshing bandages. But keep in mind, athletes and the general hairy-legged public get wounds all the time and they manage to avoid infection, so shaved legs are not imperative.

    • Aleister on

      The one reason to shave the legs: if you crash and get road rash, peeling old bandages off doesn’t hurt.

  9. Deb Travers on

    This brought back memories of my fall on Ballard Canyon Road at a CTS camp. There was a nurse with the CTS staff and she helped clean the grit out of my massive road rash and dressed it with huge sheets of tegederm. My coach Adam Pulford was terrified I had killed myself. There was also a massage therapist staff member who kept my hip from locking up. Hip was sore for months, but luckily no broken bones. Hope Jim has a speedy recovery.

    • Clint Sandusky on

      Crashed today pre-riding XC race course in SoCal…Only trail rash (good thing as you mentioned)…Thanks Chris for the article!

  10. Barb Schornstein on

    Road ID has a great app as well for alerting emergency contacts in case something happens. It is free as well.

    • Alex Montgomery on

      Downloaded free RoadID app to my iPhone. Easy to click Start which sends text message to my wife’s phone that I am ‘Starting My Ride.’ It includes a link which she can click to view my location and progress in Google Maps. When I finish, I can also send ‘Ending My Ride’ message. Most of my rides are with friends, but when I venture out solo, this is a GREAT relief to my wife who worries about me riding out there alone. I wholeheartedly recommend this great app from RoadID. BTW I have been riding 5 years with bracelet, which has come in very handy when I’ve crashed (3 times) and gone to Emergency Room.

  11. Gary Benkendorf on

    Great article and much appreciated Chris. In group rides folks, watch overlapping wheels too. As we age we value not being injured. Keep the big picture.

  12. Bill Langton on

    Been there, done that with a fond memory of a nylon brush and a bottle of water applied by a first responder.


    • John on

      I’ve bought Tegaderm from a local Walgreens for some road rash I got during a spill last year. The biggest sheets aren’t as big as the ones mentioned above, but I was able to situate them (and they can be overlapped) where it covered the rash on my hip.

  13. Brian Hackathorne on

    Great article.
    Program ICE (In Case of Emergency) in your cellphone that you carry. Wear Road ID in the event you have a concussion and do not know important information or are unconcious.

  14. Scott 2 on

    Excellent read Chris. I’ve ridden bikes since little, motorcross at a high level, mt. & road, street bikes, and I’ve always told myself & others to always remain present, and, as you put it, engaged. It has rewarded me with very few events, but we do learn from them.
    Of course, middle of a peleton and there ain’t much hope if a rider goes down in front of you.
    Seems the energy of focused awareness is a powerful force.

  15. Marycay Doolittle on

    Thanks for this article, it brings home that one must always be aware & ride consciously. Fell today, twice, the low speed slip & tip over type on a sandy road. Just turned too fast & forgot I was on slippery territory. I can’t avoid it since it’s a road that runs in front of our house & leads to pavement so I’ve got to keep that in mind, no quick turns, moves, only slow & steady. I just turned 69 & getting back on the bike is harder than I remember or thought it would be.

  16. Marci on

    Chris, great advice! Would add one more tip: If injuries exceed road rash and/or your bike is damaged and not rideable, don’t pick up the bike and walk. Wait for help to arrive. I walked 1/4 mile, exacerbating a serious injury, making surgery necessary. Live and learn!

  17. Jason on

    Chris good article. I too just did this last week JRA 60 seconds into my ride and hooked a car’s rearview mirror while looking the other way. Split second later I am in the middle of the road and some honda is swerving around my head. Fortunately no broken bones just a huge bruise to hip and thigh. Thanks for the article.

  18. Greg Schisla on

    I can vouch for the road rash being a good thing. Had to bail off my CX bike on a gravel downhill when the brakes failed @ 25 mph. Would have gladly traded some more road rash for the broken pelvis that resulted from going from 25 to zero in a fraction of a second.

  19. Rick Powelson on

    Crashed today MTBing in Colorado. Going to0 fast on an off-camber downhill turn with loose scree. Bike went one way, I went the other. Trail rash, scrapes and a slight blood sacrifice to the trail gods. Slightly sprained wrist. The good news is that my bike was fine….lol.

  20. Michael P. Chiasson on

    Good article, 3 things I didn’t do when I crashed and learned a lesson from. Didn’t tell anyone where I was going, didn’t take my phone with me, wasn’t watching the road during an out of the saddle sprint.
    I hit a 20 pound tortoise at 20 mph sending me to the ground and launching my bike through the air. Result, broken collarbone in 4 places, 2 broken ribs and some road rash. Needless to say the one handed 7 mile ride home was painful. The bike and tortoise survived. I needed surgery, rehab and 3 months of no riding. I definitely learned my lesson and have changed my habits.

  21. Jim Parkhurst on

    Excellent article, especially the part about road rash. A couple days ago I crashed after hitting an obstacle in the bike lane going downhill over 30mph. Basically “laid it down” and managed to just get some gnarly road rash. With a large part of my body (and bike) absorbing the impact I pretty much skated on having more serious injuries.

  22. Troy C. on

    Excellent information. Thanks for making me grateful for my road rash!

    Are there any recommended ways to fall, when left with no other option or under force?

  23. Matt on

    Thanks for the artical, I crashed my race bike 2 weeks on a fast wet road leading into tight bend, there was also some diesel oil on the road. My hip took most of the schock, I could not walk properly for 2 weeks and am still in some pain (having more Scans this week), I have 40 years experience riding bicycles plus 35 years on motorcycles of all kinds, lessons learnt: (1) race bicycle tyres don’t work in the wet, sound obvious I know, (2) if your out riding alone don’t overstretch yourself, because if you become tired then your reaction time slows and accidents can follow. Safe riding & good luck :-)

  24. Kim on

    If you’re hit by a car, it’s also worth consulting a lawyer as soon as possible. When a girl ran me down after running a stop sign last fall, I not only got all my medical bills paid but was also offered a “pain and suffering” cash settlement. I know the unspoken threat that I might sue (and subpoena the driver’s cell phone records) had a lot to do with that.

  25. Brian on

    Great article and all good advice from everyone. A few years ago I missed the last corner of a road race right before the finish. As it was happening I thought no problem I’ll just ride it out onto the grass and come back on. Well, my tire hit the gravel shoulder and I launched over the bars at 23 mph. Was a little dazed and the medical staff sprayed down my little bit of road rash and I crossed the finish 10 minutes later after shaking the cobwebs off. Two hours later the adrenaline wore off and my shoulder was really sore. ER next day confirmed 3rd degree AC separation/tear. Volunteers are great and I went to the first aid tent, but you still need to take responsibility to get checked out by medical people.

  26. James P on

    Good article
    I would add that I have a roadID bracelet and also use the app. There is the ability in the app to create a “home lock screen” picture that has your emergency contacts embedded in the picture.
    Also. The app can send your contacts of choice a text or email that allows them to check realtime GPS on where you are. I know my wife has checked on me during thunderstorms and other bad weather. Especially if out alone, a way for others to check in and keep track of you

    • Mark on

      Actually, at least on some phones, the ICE contacts can be phoned without unlocking the screen if you go to the “emergency calls” button and then there’s a button for the ICE contacts.

  27. Chuck Procner on

    Road Rash is good? You bet your lycra it is! It’s much better to dissipate the energy scrubbing off a bit of skin on the never ending belt sander than absorbing it through your body. The 2 really bad crashes I’ve had resulting in punctured lungs, broken collar bones, ribs and shoulder blade road rash was minimal.

  28. Hal L. on

    One more thing I learned the hard way. If you can still ride, make a deliberate, systematic check to make sure everything is still on the bike — Garmin, lights, water bottles, repair kit, etc. Even more important, check the pockets of your jersey to make sure your phone or CAR KEYS are still with you. In my case, the adrenalin was flowing and I was still a little disoriented but was anxious to get going again because I was able to continue with the ride.

  29. Max on

    When on the MTB ride with another person. Crashed at low speed in a muddy turn and broke three ribs. Had to get on the bike and ride three miles to my car. Just lucky I did not puncture my lung.

  30. Kevin on

    Last year was in a paceline, doing 30mph. Bike 2 ahead of me hit the wheel of the rider in front of him and he went down hard. I went over the handlebars, flipped and landed on the road on my back. Helmet intact, alert and sore shoulder. I got up to assist with the rider ahead, he still had his helmet on, had blood from his nose and was semiconscious, Serious head injury. In situations like that the best plan of action is to stabilize the head and neck, keep him warm and call 911. Moving him from the road would have caused more injury. It takes a number of people and a backboard to safely transport someone with such injuries. He continues to recover slowly from bad intracranial bleed. I sustained a fractured collar bone and was off the bike for 5 weeks. And as someone previously mentioned, RoadID is a great invention. My buddies info was inside his helmet and not immediately available.

  31. Mark Agee on

    The advice of “stand-up and walk around” is a good. We had EMTs come to see a woman after a fairly serous crash. They looked her over, decided it wasn’t serious enough to transport her, and quickly left (which was wrong, but . . .). They never asked her to stand-up. When she finally did, she screamed. Broken hip.

    The second lesson is–don’t assume the police or EMTs will do much. If you are too hurt to ride and/or your bike is damaged, they will drive away and leave you bleeding beside the road. If they don’t take you to the hospital, they won’t be cool and offer to give you a ride anywhere else.

  32. Yves on

    My “two cents”: sometimes slowing down is not the solution. I once turned into a road covered with small “slimmy” mud patches (mud fallen from tractors’ wheels). I “prudently” slowed down to 12.5 km/h (last speed measured on my Garmin), the front wheel slipped and I fell vertically without even having the time to uncleat or take my hands off the bar. My pelvis took the full blow, the equivalent of 450 kg hitting the ground. Bike intact, two rashes the size of a 25 cents coin each on my knee and elbow but a pelvic bone broken in 4 places. Had I come at 25mph, I would have either not fallen or I would have absorbed the choc by sliding. Ironically, everyone at the hospital assumed I got my accident because I was going too fast.

    • Saral shakya on

      Tht cruel man blamed me when i slipped my brake of my cycle and hit a bike even he didn’t knew the rider of motor bike .But i had only front brake which was broken and cased accident.
      Saral Shakya

  33. Deb Travers on

    I crashed on Ballard Canyon Road at a CTS camp in Santa Ynez a few years ago. Was having a great time descending on some switchbacks and my coach had just told me how well I was doing when my back wheel hit some sand on the shoulder and down I went. I managed to remove most of the skin from my right cheek and thigh as well as the whole backside of my shorts. (Never jump up too fast!) CTS was great – cleaned me up, found my tights to spare my dignity and applied sheets of Tegederm to my wounds. No broken bones, but really sore and stiff for a long time. Physical therapy restored my range of motion and the Tegederm helped me heal without scars from the road rash. The massage therapist and nurse from CTS were great and then there were two other athletes who helped me get my luggage onto the plane in Santa Barbara. Eternally grateful for all the kindness.

  34. Del Quenzer, M.D. on

    I’m a retired orthopaedic surgeon. Don’t habitually ride alone– ride with a buddy or a group. It’s more fun, more challenging, and is safer for a number of good reasons. If you fall, you have someone that can help tend to you and can take care of your bike, and they can protect you from traffic if needed. If there is any question, you should not move and certainly should not stand and walk. You are trying to avoid any further injury at all costs. Take a moment and assess yourself or your fallen friend– head to toes– is there visible damage, does it hurt, is it tender when you squeeze it, can you lift your head/leg/hand, can you move it side to side, then try to sit up, then try to stand with help. Any question, scoot or get a helper to move you (lying flat) to the side of the road. Try very hard not to do the natural thing– to deny injury, to resume the upright posture and to walk right away. As others have said, you and others with you will do much better to stay calm.

    • Paulie on

      If I stopped “habitually riding alone,” I’d be limited to riding once every week or 2 from May thru September!!!! Not all of us live somewhere that has a vibrant cycling scene. (And its bad enough I have to spend 5 months a year on the indoor trainer.)

  35. James McKenzie on

    Crashed several years ago. Broken ribs was the result which was better than a broken wrist (which is what the other bicyclist encountered). Hit my head on the deck and my helmet did its job. Chris, you are spot on with the ‘take your time for recovery’ as I went out about a week later riding and it was EXTREMELY painful and may have set my recovery back by weeks, if not months. Still feel the effects of the TBI (yes folks they do come back to haunt you). Did not ‘take the ride’ as there was little or nothing that a hospital can do for broken ribs IF you do not get Pneumo-thorax (punctured lung). However, if you do hit the deck, check YOURSELF out first, then the bike. Bikes, with few exceptions, can be replaced.

  36. Brett Cottee on

    There is one more step before moving at all. Self assess, first the situation as to traffic and other ongoing hazards. If moving is not urgent then think through your body and the incident. Asks yourself what hit the ground or your bike or other bikes. then starting at your feet think can i feel my feet, do they feel right, then ankles, shins, knees, thighs, hips, hands, wrists, elbows, upper arms, shoulders, torso, neck and head. That pause will allow time for initial shock to wear off a little and true injury feeling to show before you move and cause more damage. Then if all seems right roll over and get into a crawling position, from there you can see more of what injuries you have for further assessment. then all of the attempts to stand and lean on bars become good advise.

  37. steve belli on

    One thing that I have found invaluable is my wife and friends have access to my Garmin ‘live track’ info, my wife monitors my location and progress in real time on her smartphone, she can see where I’m at and call me if I’m not moving (so far, just flat tires), what a great invention. Both her and I feel much more secure when I’m out riding alone.

  38. Ray Scott on

    I crashed 2 1/2 years ago and broke my pelvis and left hand. The ER Doc told me that my helmet probably saved my life. Rider in front of me hit his brakes in a pace line at 21MPH. I now wear the Road ID as other riders don’t know my medical history and if I am alone it is invaluable. While riding in a Grand Fondo 2 weeks ago my son-in-law and I crashed when we hit wet RR tracks which were imbedded, and on a 30 degree angle. The ride organizers failed to warn us about it. 30 cyclists went down, most with road rash including me. My son-in-law broke his hip and his thumb and is out of commission all summer. Again, our helmets saved us from any head injury. I just sent him this info.

  39. Chris Christensen on

    Thanks for the article! Never connected the higher chance of broken bones and low speed crashes. I’m 4 1/2 weeks from my own low speed, uphill fall and resulting fractured femur (74 miles into the 75 mile, 11,000 ft. gain, uphill finish ride?!). Mind wandered, front tire skidded out, overcorrected and boom, right on the hip. The worst part was I missed out on the 40 mile mostly downhill recovery ride back to the start…oh well, looks like I’m in very good company. Can tie my shoes now and Just graduated to one crutch- the walker was soul crushing… :)

  40. I Markowitz on

    As part of estate planning for clients I usually ask if they walk, hike, run or bike & advise getting a Road ID giving ICE info as well as allergies & Blood type in case of injury.

  41. James Gubbins on

    Great article. Definitely going to look into an ice dot sensor or something similar. My luck on the bike this year has not been stellar. I do have to contradict one point you made though. Depending on where the hip breaks, you may be able to not only stand – but continue to ride. I’m living proof. I crashed during the first mile of the Chicago Triathlon a few weeks back. Got up with plenty of road rash but no tear to my tri suit. Got cleaned up by medical who gave me an ice pack for my hip and sent me on my way. After 23 more painful miles on the bike and what amounted to a 10k walk, I finished and went to the hospital. X-rays did not show anything was broken but the MRI showed I had just put 30 miles on two hairline hip fractures! Stay safe and be smart – if you go down hard – get yourself checked out ASAP!

  42. Nikki Mac on

    I came off yesterday after almost getting hit by a ute reversing into a cycle path without looking. A lot of road rash, swelling and bruising. Elbow took most of the impact which now looks like bone bruising. Judging by the comments I should probably get checked out for a fracture (and definitely change my helmet!) Thanks


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